Minutes Skype 20130306

From IntereditionWiki

Ongoing Tasks

Wiki gardening needs to be done. gremid, moz and reynaert are working on it. reynaert also volunteers for wordpress gardening.

Tool Reviews

peer review of tools. Don't use the interedition wiki for it. focus on edition tools, not digital humanities. starting points: TEI tools list, http://wiki.tei-c.org/index.php/Category:Tools. http://dirt.projectbamboo.org/ we should tie it to something high impact, like DHNow. reviews on a regular basis. isolated tool reviews vs. collection of about five. canonical catalogue of criteria that should be treated in a review, proposal: usability, interoperability, functionality, availability/extensibility/license/business model. categories.

a well-received proposal is the option of a community review site, comparable to review sites for restaurants, hotels etc, with user ratings.

DH2013

no tangible plans for a bootcamp yet. nick will ask for a room for a bootcamp at UNL and report back this week.

gremid and nick have handed in a juxta workshop proposal and will thus maybe be there. moz and msirtep will probably not attend.

Own work

nick has plans for a command line version of juxta, in order to run it on a cluster computing environment for the OCR project he's involved in. Dana Wheeles from NINES has a poster accepted for Juxta Commons.

gremid is pushing for a release of collatex and is working on documentation. sneak preview: http://collatex.net/ 1.3 will have a command line version, a rest service and be embeddable in jvm apps and cocoon in particular.

msirtep has publicly released CATMA 4. http://www.digitalhumanities.it/catma/ source https://github.com/mpetris/catma and https://github.com/mpetris/catma-core

moz is working to release the text-image-link editor component of the faust edition as a standalone tool

ljo released eXist-db 2.0


Upcoming events

DH 2013

TEI conference in rome in octobre

msirtep/uni hambug is planning a bootcamp in the fourth quarter of the year on visualisations of markup and text


Future Interedition Online Meetings

reynaert is hosting the next meeting. it will be doine in IRC again


Chat Log

(with IRC nicks substituted for skype names)

[6.3. 13 20:13:39] moz: the agenda is so far

1. ongoing tasks

2. DH 2013

3. own work

4. future monthly interedition meetings

[6.3. 13 20:13:53] moz: has anyone points to add?

[6.3. 13 20:14:39] moz: ok, i take that as a no

[6.3. 13 20:14:58] moz: so then let's start with point 1: ongoing tasks

[6.3. 13 20:15:17] moz: does anyone want to report on the work on tasks

[6.3. 13 20:15:21] federico: hello everyone

[6.3. 13 20:15:28] moz: hello federico

[6.3. 13 20:15:40] reynaert: do we have a task list?

[6.3. 13 20:16:02] moz: not that i know of

[6.3. 13 20:16:58] reynaert: i guess that will make this a short item for the meeting then?

[6.3. 13 20:17:01] moz: it would be in the minutes of past meetings if anything

[6.3. 13 20:17:07] reynaert: *nod*

[6.3. 13 20:17:19] moz: well, does anyone remember any tasks he/she volunteered for

[6.3. 13 20:17:28] moz: and has done any work on?

[6.3. 13 20:18:08] gremid: i volunteered for wiki gardening. oxford did not have any positive effect on my gardening skills thus far. :(

[6.3. 13 20:18:26] moz: that was a task i also volunteered for

[6.3. 13 20:18:42] moz: i did not do much, but i did start a stub for tools

[6.3. 13 20:18:44] moz: http://interedition.eu/wiki/index.php/Digital_Humanities_Tools

[6.3. 13 20:18:49] msirtep: spring is coming...

[6.3. 13 20:19:13] reynaert: I can add a task I think (for myself): wiki/wordpress gardening as to results (*still* needs to be done)

[6.3. 13 20:19:30] moz: at one point, the plan was that we include in the wiki a comprehensive list of digital humanities tools

[6.3. 13 20:19:47] moz: which are not necessarily the ones we have produced

[6.3. 13 20:20:01] moz: it could also include something like reviews of these tools

[6.3. 13 20:20:02] tla: ...digital text edition tools, surely? digital humanities tools would be a bit much.

[6.3. 13 20:20:10] tla: wouldn't it?

[6.3. 13 20:20:36] moz: i suppose so, are we only focused on edition tools though?

[6.3. 13 20:20:43] federico: what about the Tools list that was put on the TEI SIG wiki some time ago

[6.3. 13 20:20:48] federico: surely it could be a base

[6.3. 13 20:21:07] msirtep: I think we should stick to reviews. A simple list will just grow old and there are already a few out there.

[6.3. 13 20:21:08] moz: federico: do you have a link?

[6.3. 13 20:21:16] federico: yep

[6.3. 13 20:21:47] federico: http://wiki.tei-c.org/index.php/Category:Tools

[6.3. 13 20:21:55] reynaert: I'd suggest to focus on text edition tools, but no to be dogmatic about it (like we do with mostly anything)

[6.3. 13 20:22:03] gremid: anybody got an idea, why this is called "dirt"? http://dirt.projectbamboo.org/

[6.3. 13 20:22:28] federico: acronym to be remember

[6.3. 13 20:22:52] tla: nice & organic, stuff bamboo grows in? :)

[6.3. 13 20:22:53] reynaert: DIgital Research Tools

[6.3. 13 20:23:00] gremid: ah!

[6.3. 13 20:23:00] reynaert: (it's on the site)

[6.3. 13 20:23:29] gremid: thanks, as i said ... my gardening skills ... ;)

[6.3. 13 20:24:00] moz: ok, so marco says a list would be redundant, and we should stick to reviews

[6.3. 13 20:24:09] reynaert: +1

[6.3. 13 20:24:27] moz: this goes a bit into the direction of the peer review of tools that was thrown around once

[6.3. 13 20:24:40] reynaert: yes, Doug suggested that at some point

[6.3. 13 20:24:46] reynaert: still think that's a good idea

[6.3. 13 20:24:57] msirtep: I like that idea

[6.3. 13 20:25:05] reynaert: but if we want such, we should tie it to something high impact, like DHNow

[6.3. 13 20:25:34] reynaert: And we should make sure we do reviews on a regular basis

[6.3. 13 20:25:40] reynaert: so that means real division of work

[6.3. 13 20:25:49] reynaert: *writing* work

[6.3. 13 20:26:02] ljo: +1

[6.3. 13 20:26:03] reynaert: (just saying, because we have never been much good at that :-p)

[6.3. 13 20:27:03] federico: Joris is right

[6.3. 13 20:27:04] federico: :)

[6.3. 13 20:27:14] moz: it's probably also required to have a fairly good overview of the category of tools

[6.3. 13 20:27:37] moz: i wonder how an isolated review of one tool would work

[6.3. 13 20:28:12] msirtep: but a collection of five would do

[6.3. 13 20:29:07] moz: so, any other opions on that?

[6.3. 13 20:29:33] moz: this would need commitment and some kind of frame.

[6.3. 13 20:29:34] reynaert: think we need to think/agree on the topics that should be treated in a review

[6.3. 13 20:29:43] gremid: i know of a group of DHers doing something comparable for digital editions in germany

[6.3. 13 20:29:55] msirtep: I have a short recipe like frame in mind

[6.3. 13 20:29:55] reynaert: not now, but that could be a task, resulting in a suggestion to be discussed next time

[6.3. 13 20:30:00] gremid: they started out to agree on a catalogue of criteria to work by

[6.3. 13 20:30:23] gremid: and then the idea is to use this as a checklist for a set of editions

[6.3. 13 20:30:25] tla: *nod* that makes sense to me

[6.3. 13 20:30:28] ljo: ljo set topic to "Interedition"

[6.3. 13 20:30:48] tla: maybe three to five criteria/aspects/attributes that we could brainstorm up?

[6.3. 13 20:31:45] gremid: usability, interoperability, functionality, availability

[6.3. 13 20:32:34] ljo: :)

[6.3. 13 20:32:37] moz: availability/extensibility (for the developers)

[6.3. 13 20:33:27] gremid: business model ;)

[6.3. 13 20:34:00] moz: is there an audience for something like that?

[6.3. 13 20:34:02] gremid: (sorry, that is "sustainability" of course)

[6.3. 13 20:34:27] moz: usually the question is "i want to do X, what is out there and how does it compare"

[6.3. 13 20:34:40] moz: isn't it?

[6.3. 13 20:34:57] gremid: +1 ideally you could collate reviews of all tools belonging to a category

[6.3. 13 20:35:29] tla: assessing sustainability would involve going and questioning the authors, right?

[6.3. 13 20:35:42] tla: as opposed to just writing the review independently.

[6.3. 13 20:36:21] gremid: tla: normally yes. sometimes you just look at the source and community activity to get a first idea but i agree, one would have to do better research than just this

[6.3. 13 20:37:20] tla: not htat that's a bad thing. the authors would probably be quite keen on tools getting attention / reviews / etc.

[6.3. 13 20:37:27] tla: so long as they aren't getting slammed ;)

[6.3. 13 20:37:45] gremid: :)

[6.3. 13 20:37:55] moz: so what would the frame be

[6.3. 13 20:38:03] moz: joris, you mentioned dhnow

[6.3. 13 20:38:22] reynaert: *nod* I did

[6.3. 13 20:38:45] reynaert: we could just contact them, and ask if they would be interested in our independent rss stream of reviews

[6.3. 13 20:39:02] reynaert: but doing this worthwhile would mean some commitment our side

[6.3. 13 20:39:39] moz: DHnow just collects content that has been published somewhere else if i understand it corretly?

[6.3. 13 20:39:51] moz: so we would set up something like a blog?

[6.3. 13 20:39:56] reynaert: *nod*

[6.3. 13 20:40:09] gremid: another option would be to do something like a community review site

[6.3. 13 20:40:32] gremid: comparable to review sites for restaurants, hotels etc.

[6.3. 13 20:40:41] gremid: and curate that

[6.3. 13 20:40:56] moz: with user-generated ratings and so on?

[6.3. 13 20:41:10] gremid: "people who liked juxta also liked collatex"

[6.3. 13 20:41:14] gremid: yep

[6.3. 13 20:41:29] reynaert: hmm.. wonder if our community is big enough to pull off a non skewed rating

[6.3. 13 20:41:46] reynaert: but the idea is nice

[6.3. 13 20:41:55] moz: yes, i like this idea too

[6.3. 13 20:42:23] reynaert: meanwhile i hate to be a spoilsport, but i rather have to leave already

[6.3. 13 20:42:44] moz: we should move on to the next topic

[6.3. 13 20:42:50] msirtep: I think we should try to make the reviews to work standalone as well. Then it doesn't matter if enthusiasm goes down. It would still be a bunch of good articles.

[6.3. 13 20:43:08] ljo: +1

[6.3. 13 20:43:41] moz: i think there is too little consensus yet for distributing tasks on that

[6.3. 13 20:43:53] moz: so we should maybe put it on the next agenda

[6.3. 13 20:44:21] reynaert: +1 (have to go, i'll read up on the minutes, good meeting to all)

[6.3. 13 20:44:28] gremid: cu

[6.3. 13 20:44:29] moz: bye joris

[6.3. 13 20:44:32] msirtep: bye

[6.3. 13 20:44:42] moz: so, any other tasks someone wants to report on?

[6.3. 13 20:44:50] moz: otherwise we move to point 2

[6.3. 13 20:44:59] moz: DH 2013

[6.3. 13 20:45:34] moz: have the plans for an interedition bootcamp progressed

[6.3. 13 20:46:21] gremid: nick and i handed in a juxta workshop proposal, so if that gets accepted, we would be around and happy to hack

[6.3. 13 20:46:54] moz: i myself am not sure if i will be there

[6.3. 13 20:47:12] msirtep: I'll miss this one

[6.3. 13 20:47:29] moz: were there plans to contact anyone local

[6.3. 13 20:48:33] nick: hello.. sorry for the lateness, was coding

[6.3. 13 20:48:41] moz: hi nick

[6.3. 13 20:48:57] gremid: hi nick

[6.3. 13 20:49:21] nick: hi

[6.3. 13 20:49:45] moz: so there are no more concrete plans for organizing something there yet, i suppose

[6.3. 13 20:50:12] moz: there is also an upcoming TEI conference in rome

[6.3. 13 20:50:30] federico: yes next october

[6.3. 13 20:50:32] federico: we are organizing it

[6.3. 13 20:50:32] moz: anyone here who will be attnding?

[6.3. 13 20:50:45] federico: with the Italian Association of Digital Humanities

[6.3. 13 20:51:04] moz: would it make sense to do something interedition-related there?

[6.3. 13 20:51:37] moz: (or has that been discussed already?)

[6.3. 13 20:52:17] moz: ok, then i suppose we should move to point 3: own work

[6.3. 13 20:52:50] moz: does anybody want to report on what they have been up to development-wise?

[6.3. 13 20:53:19] nick: Tara, after you :)

[6.3. 13 20:53:46] tla: no i have nothing to report this month, was going to ask if you were the one who had volunteered to ask about interedition space at UNL during DH?

[6.3. 13 20:54:27] nick: yes, I still need to do that.. I will drop a line this week

[6.3. 13 20:54:44] tla: ok thanks!

[6.3. 13 20:54:53] expects not to get back to any coding until april, alas

[6.3. 13 20:55:45] nick: yeah, pretty rare for me too.. anyhow I was going to report on Juxta - we're looking at create a command line version

[6.3. 13 20:56:10] nick: for running in a cluster computing environment for the OCR project we're involved in

[6.3. 13 20:56:20] gremid: :)

[6.3. 13 20:56:30] moz: nice

[6.3. 13 20:56:50] nick: also, worked with Gregor on pre-conference workshop for Juxta WS and submitted that to DH 2013

[6.3. 13 20:57:16] nick: Dana Wheeles from NINES has a poster accepted for Juxta Commons

[6.3. 13 20:57:57] nick: that's the news for Juxta this month :)

[6.3. 13 20:58:13] gremid: i am pushing for a release of collatex

[6.3. 13 20:58:17] gremid: sneak preview: http://collatex.net/

[6.3. 13 20:58:22] gremid: writing docs, docs, docs

[6.3. 13 20:58:55] gremid: 1.3 will have a command line version, a rest service and be embeddable in jvm apps and cocoon in particular

[6.3. 13 20:59:14] gremid: should be going out this week if i can keep the pace of the last days

[6.3. 13 20:59:43] nick: cool, looks nice! will check it out

[6.3. 13 21:00:00] gremid: :)

[6.3. 13 21:00:39] gremid: i'll send an official release announcement with ronald when we are done

[6.3. 13 21:01:13] msirtep: CATMA 4 went public finally. http://www.digitalhumanities.it/catma/ There are still some things to do but it's usable.

[6.3. 13 21:02:31] nick: bookmarking that one too..

[6.3. 13 21:02:59] msirtep: We'll use it in a couple of collaborative markup sessions in march.

[6.3. 13 21:03:10] moz: nice!

[6.3. 13 21:03:11] gremid: congrats, marco.

[6.3. 13 21:03:20] gremid: is the source available?

[6.3. 13 21:04:05] msirtep: yes... but it's not commented very well yet (there is already a ticket for that) https://github.com/mpetris/catma and https://github.com/mpetris/catma-core

[6.3. 13 21:04:31] gremid: great

[6.3. 13 21:05:23] moz: i don't have much to show, i'm factoring out some components out of the faust edition because other people want to use it

[6.3. 13 21:05:36] moz: e.g. text-image-link editor

[6.3. 13 21:05:57] tla: nice, congrats gregor & marco!

[6.3. 13 21:06:56] moz: yes, great work!

[6.3. 13 21:07:33] moz: so then we should move to point 4: future meetings

[6.3. 13 21:07:36] moz: ?

[6.3. 13 21:07:53] ljo: We finally released eXist-db 2.0

[6.3. 13 21:07:55] tla: who's lined up as of now?

[6.3. 13 21:08:18] moz: nice version number

[6.3. 13 21:09:04] gremid: and something that looks like it deserves that small increase in the version number. congrats leif!

[6.3. 13 21:09:30] nick: congrats leif!

[6.3. 13 21:09:46] gremid: (cool website!)

[6.3. 13 21:10:44] nick: eXistSolutions - is that your company Leif?

[6.3. 13 21:11:02] ljo: Thanks

[6.3. 13 21:11:08] ljo: Yes

[6.3. 13 21:11:28] nick: very cool :)

[6.3. 13 21:12:43] moz: any other development news?

[6.3. 13 21:13:29] moz: ok, then let's go to the next point

[6.3. 13 21:13:31] ljo: (And today i could walk all the way to work without crutches for the first time since the leg fracture)

[6.3. 13 21:14:25] msirtep: that's a development news I guess :-)

[6.3. 13 21:14:32] federico: :D

[6.3. 13 21:15:04] msirtep: we're planning a bootcamp in the fourth quarter of the year on visualisations of markup and text, it will be funded I hope

[6.3. 13 21:15:11] msirtep: at hamburg

[6.3. 13 21:15:16] federico: good!

[6.3. 13 21:15:26] moz: sounds interesting

[6.3. 13 21:15:30] gremid: +1

[6.3. 13 21:15:32] nick: +1

[6.3. 13 21:16:04] msirtep: I have no details yet just to let you know that we're working on it

[6.3. 13 21:16:24] gremid: looking forward to the CFP

[6.3. 13 21:16:25] ljo: +1

[6.3. 13 21:16:31] moz: +1

[6.3. 13 21:16:54] tla: hey guys i have to run

[6.3. 13 21:17:18] tla: am happy to chair a meeting in the upcoming months as long as it's not may or july

[6.3. 13 21:17:27] moz: ok, i think we are mostly through

[6.3. 13 21:17:36] moz: is there anyone assigned for the next one?

[6.3. 13 21:17:42] nick: see you Tara

[6.3. 13 21:17:53] federico: bye Tara

[6.3. 13 21:17:58] gremid: cu tla

[6.3. 13 21:17:58] moz: bye tara!

[6.3. 13 21:18:35] moz: i remember from the minutes that someone volunteered for the moderation of the next meeting

[6.3. 13 21:18:38] moz: was it joris?

[6.3. 13 21:19:34] moz: [6.2. 13 21:23:20] reynaert: There's nobody for April yet right?

[6.2. 13 21:23:39] reynaert: if so, I'll take April, as I Forgot the January one

[6.3. 13 21:19:44] gremid: (y)

[6.3. 13 21:19:50] nick: heh

[6.3. 13 21:19:54] reynaert: hi there, back again

[6.3. 13 21:20:02] msirtep: got to go, see you

[6.3. 13 21:20:12] gremid: bye marco!

[6.3. 13 21:20:15] ljo: Bye

[6.3. 13 21:20:17] moz: bye marco

[6.3. 13 21:20:26] nick: bye Marco

[6.3. 13 21:20:46] moz: so now that we have tried skype a couple of times

[6.3. 13 21:21:15] moz: do you think it is advantageous compared to IRC?

[6.3. 13 21:21:50] gremid: the feedback while typing is nice

[6.3. 13 21:22:04] gremid: but apart from that i prefer open solutions. ;)

[6.3. 13 21:22:51] reynaert: the typing feedback is okay, apart from that i find Skype's gui a pile of annoying s*** tbh

[6.3. 13 21:22:54] moz: i'm not sure if the feedback is an advantage really

[6.3. 13 21:23:21] moz: it makes people wait (at least me) and slows down the conversation

[6.3. 13 21:23:41] moz: ironically, we thought that the missing feedback in IRC did the same

[6.3. 13 21:23:56] moz: maybe, both is the case

[6.3. 13 21:24:08] gremid: joris: steve jobs once said, itunes on windows is like giving a cup of iced water to somebody in hell. maybe microsoft wants to return that "favor" with skype on mac now.

[6.3. 13 21:24:43] reynaert: well, let's be honest: iTunes' interface isn't much better

[6.3. 13 21:25:08] reynaert: much worse than most GUIs on Mac in any case

[6.3. 13 21:25:09] moz: in IRC you assume by default that you're not interrupting someone

[6.3. 13 21:25:43] moz: with the added overhead of always inviting people to the skype conversations, i think the switch to skype is not really worth it

[6.3. 13 21:25:55] reynaert: reg IRC: it does seem some people that join the conversation didn't do so while we were on IRC

[6.3. 13 21:25:56] moz: and i enjoy the casualness of the irc more

[6.3. 13 21:26:41] reynaert: is there a easy to use GUI that we can recommend to people if we'd switch back to IRC?

[6.3. 13 21:27:00] moz: there is webchat

[6.3. 13 21:27:04] nick: I use Adium on Mac

[6.3. 13 21:27:11] gremid: same here

[6.3. 13 21:27:23] gremid: (pidgin on linux)

[6.3. 13 21:28:07] reynaert: right.. so I guess we have suggestions for the people who dislike irssi

[6.3. 13 21:28:20] ljo: Webirc?

[6.3. 13 21:29:56] moz: maybe we should it to joris how the next meeting will be held, since there seems to be no definite preference, and joris is moderator

[6.3. 13 21:30:36] reynaert: heh.. well okay, I'll decide then

[6.3. 13 21:30:47] reynaert: (which means IRC is in the lead now tbh)

[6.3. 13 21:31:35] moz: so then we're pretty much at the end of the agenda

[6.3. 13 21:32:00] moz: is there anything that anyone wants to be discussing still?

[6.3. 13 21:32:21] nick: signing off.. have a good one all

[6.3. 13 21:32:28] moz: bye nick

[6.3. 13 21:32:41] federico: bye everyone

[6.3. 13 21:32:42] gremid: have a good day/night

[6.3. 13 21:33:29] ljo: You too

[6.3. 13 21:33:50] reynaert: bye everyone, till next time!

[6.3. 13 21:34:00] moz: bye!